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https://www.motor1.com/news/305842/toyota-prius-c-discontinued-soon/
https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=41214&id=40351


What do you guys think of the 2020 Toyota Corolla hybrid? I like the look of the front but the rear not so much (ford fusion?). Fuel economy looks similar to the Insight based on EPA numbers.


Seems like Toyota went with nickel metal hydride instead of Lithium Ion like the Honda Insight.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a25167166/2020-toyota-corolla-hybrid-sedan-photos-info/
https://auto.howstuffworks.com/lithium-ion-batteries-improve-hybrids1.htm
 

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Interesting reading... and interesting approach from Toyota, building on the Corolla base rather than Honda's approach to distinguish from the Civic and Accord.
  • I hate Corolla's exterior; the "vacuum-type" looking front grille is off-putting and outdated to me. The overall exterior reminds me of a 9th Gen Civic.
  • I do like that the Corolla Hybrid remains a true compact car. The Insight is considered a midsize car due to combined passenger and cargo volume, and it's wider/longer than I wanted.
  • Both the 2020 Corolla Hybrid and 2019 Insight get the same overall MPG, but the Insight is better in city and the Corolla is better on highway. This seems to indicate a different, less engine-intensive power strategy (and less "engine drone" noise?) for the Corolla in highway mode. Perhaps the Corolla Hybrid's 2.0L engine makes the difference over the 1.5L Insight engine.
  • It's nice that Toyota is coming around and will finally offer CarPlay/Android Auto rather than their obscure "Entune" system.
 

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Interesting reading... and interesting approach from Toyota, building on the Corolla base rather than Honda's approach to distinguish from the Civic and Accord.
  • I hate Corolla's exterior; the "vacuum-type" looking front grille is off-putting and outdated to me. The overall exterior reminds me of a 9th Gen Civic.
  • I do like that the Corolla Hybrid remains a true compact car. The Insight is considered a midsize car due to combined passenger and cargo volume, and it's wider/longer than I wanted.
  • Both the 2020 Corolla Hybrid and 2019 Insight get the same overall MPG, but the Insight is better in city and the Corolla is better on highway. This seems to indicate a different, less engine-intensive power strategy (and less "engine drone" noise?) for the Corolla in highway mode. Perhaps the Corolla Hybrid's 2.0L engine makes the difference over the 1.5L Insight engine.
  • It's nice that Toyota is coming around and will finally offer CarPlay/Android Auto rather than their obscure "Entune" system.
The front looks like a goldfish gasping for water. :smile_big:I only like the front for the LED headlights, honestly. The Insight is wider/longer than I wanted, too. I'm slowly adjusting to it, and kind of like the sense of safety it brings in the cabin.
 

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It's hideous. Looking at the line alone the top, it starts out kind of smooth in the front, but the back drops off and makes the cabin look like a box. It's oddly angled at the base of the rear windshield, and short and stubby in front. The back has fake vents and the wheels are small. The paint job on the demo model is an atrocity.

We picked well.
 

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It looks pretty good, although that front reminds me of the Prius's evil grin look!

I wonder if the rear window visibility is better than the Insight's... Looks like it might be.

Anyone seen any specs on size, dimensions, weight? I see that Consumer Reports shows the 2020 regular Corolla is listed as 183" in length and 70" in width.

https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/toyota/corolla/2020/ratings?pagestop

That's virtually identical to the Insight's 184" and 72". Wheel bases are the same at 106". The question, though, is how different the Corolla Hybrid is from the regular Corolla.

This was also interesting:

"UPDATE 2/11/19: The Corolla hybrid's EPA ratings are out, sitting at 52 mpg combined, 53 mpg city, and 52 mpg highway. We have updated our story accordingly."

So, its MPG is essentially the same city and highway. The Insight's are 55 mpg city, 49 highway, with the same 52 mpg overall.
 

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I wonder if the rear window visibility is better than the Insight's... Looks like it might be.
From the outside, the rear windows look comparably sized. The side c-pillar design shrinks the size of rear window on both. However the Corolla's rear headrests look ENORMOUS, almost as tall as and/or blocking the full rear window. I wonder if they placed the high voltage battery below the rear seats like for the G3 Insight...
 

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This was also interesting:

"UPDATE 2/11/19: The Corolla hybrid's EPA ratings are out, sitting at 52 mpg combined, 53 mpg city, and 52 mpg highway. We have updated our story accordingly."

So, its MPG is essentially the same city and highway. The Insight's are 55 mpg city, 49 highway, with the same 52 mpg overall.
While the 2020 Corolla Hybrid and 2019 Insight have the same overall MPG, the Insight is better in city and the Corolla is better on highway. This seems like a less engine-intensive power strategy for the Corolla in highway mode, especially since the Corolla Hybrid will have a 2.0L engine rather than the 1.5L Insight engine. It also may make a difference to those who travel more highway versus city.
 

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Anyone seen any specs on size, dimensions, weight? I see that Consumer Reports shows the 2020 regular Corolla is listed as 183" in length and 70" in width.

https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/toyota/corolla/2020/ratings?pagestop

That's virtually identical to the Insight's 184" and 72". Wheel bases are the same at 106". The question, though, is how different the Corolla Hybrid is from the regular Corolla.
It looks like the Toyota site has specs posted for both the hybrid and base Corolla. All specs look identical for the Hybrid LE versus the base Corolla LE: https://www.toyota.com/corolla/features/mileage_estimates/1882/1863/1856

It looks like the Hybrid Corolla is 'only' a $3k premium over the comparable base Corolla, while the Insight is a $3.5k premium.
 

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It looks like the Toyota site has specs posted for both the hybrid and base Corolla. All specs look identical for the Hybrid LE versus the base Corolla LE: https://www.toyota.com/corolla/features/mileage_estimates/1882/1863/1856

It looks like the Hybrid Corolla is 'only' a $3k premium over the comparable base Corolla, while the Insight is a $3.5k premium.
I feel like Toyota is positioning the hybrid Corolla oddly within its own model line. There is only one hybrid trim! If you want to spec your Corolla beyond the LE level and have a hybrid powertrain, you can't. Then you get into Prius territory and all the stigma.

By comparison, the Civic LX and Insight LX are $3.5k apart, but when you get to EX and Touring trims, the difference is less than $1k. So if you are looking at these trim levels, the hybrid is a cost effective counterpart.

It feels like Toyota is being timid with the hybrid Corolla and trying to avoid cannibalization of the Prius.
 

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It feels like Toyota is being timid with the hybrid Corolla and trying to avoid cannibalization of the Prius.
In my opinion, this feels like Toyota's is testing waters to see how a "normal looking hybrid" fares... and/or to have an offering that looks more like a direct market comparison to the Insight. Toyota has had the "normal looking" Camry Hybrid for a while, but the Prius market segment is too big at this point for Toyota to abort/revamp.
 

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As MAYBE a few minor pluses on Corolla Hybrid's side:
1 - a spare tire is included standard, even in the hybrid trim. They didn't need to eliminate the spare to save weight.
2 - the infotainment is compatible with Amazon Alexa integration (but not Android Auto)
3 - better highway efficiency

But these are offset by negatives:
1 - 9.5 seconds from 0-60, comparable to the Prius (lower horsepower and torque)
2 - no "lanewatch" type side camera (only higher Corolla base trims offer blind spot monitoring)
3 - hybrid is only available in lowest trim option
 

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This car seems like a Prius just in a different skin according to edmunds review.



I'm not liking the cabin design with the floating tablet above the vents and poor arm rest design along with the cupholders. I guess Honda did saved a ton of space with the push button transmission. Also I wouldn't want to drive a 120hp car with 15" tires.


https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a26522505/toyota-corolla-hybrid-vs-honda-insight/
Car and driver corolla hybrid vs honda insight comparison.


This Corolla Sports Wagon Hybrid looks a lot better design wise but they aren't bringing it here to the US...
 

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I noticed that Blind Spot Monitoring does NOT come on the Toyota Hybrid. It does have a pedestrian, bicycle detection system of some sort.

I was almost tempted to get a regular Corolla just to get the rear-cross traffic alert and BSM, but the crash tests have some weaknesses in them...

IIRC, one also has to go up a couple of trims on the Corolla, as with the Honda Accords, to get BSM and RCTA and they always come with the moonroof! Which means less head room and a chance, however remote, for a leak.

Too bad that neither the Civic nor the Insight have BSM and RCTA ... maybe the 2020 models?
 

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I've seen a few a few TV commercials in the past 2 weeks advertising the "first ever" Corolla Hybrid. It highlights the hybrid badging and blue logo, fuel sipping mileage, and one commercial even shows the Corolla Hybrid meeting/beating a train to the next station. Toyota is definitely taking a bolder/different approach than Honda's Insight marketing (or lack thereof)...
 

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We checked out the Corolla Hybrid before buying the Insight. The quality of the interior materials screams cheap a$$ car is, but I'm willing to bet this is will easily outsell the Insight. Honda doesn't even market the Insight and not to mention the Insight is a horrible marketing name IMHO.

Toyota is also falsely advertising this car. I see billboards in LA area that say "electric hybrid". This presents a sense that the car is electric. It is not... It is clearly a gasoline powered car just like the Insight.
 

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I drove one, and it's not a bad car, but you're definitely right. It only comes in one (lower) trim level. You do, however, get the bulletproof Prius drivetrain which 100% made in Japan iirc. The Insight is one of the best looking hybrids on the road right now, and they should really market that angle... or don't, because then I can pick up one of these hidden gems for cheaper if they're not as popular!
 

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We drove the 2020 Corolla Hybrid as well. Getting around the gaping maw front grille of the new Corolla (and Camry) is tough. If you make it past that, the interior is also inferior to Insight. The main display is particularly mediocre. My wife ruled it out just because it looked, felt and drove like an economy car (which it is), while Insight did not. We also liked Prius better than Corolla for design and styling as well, but Corolla had a few better crash test results than Prius, at least in regular trim, as the hybrid isn't fully tested by the NHTSA yet.
 

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We drove the 2020 Corolla Hybrid as well. Getting around the gaping maw front grille of the new Corolla (and Camry) is tough. If you make it past that, the interior is also inferior to Insight. The main display is particularly mediocre. My wife ruled it out just because it looked, felt and drove like an economy car (which it is), while Insight did not. We also liked Prius better than Corolla for design and styling as well, but Corolla had a few better crash test results than Prius, at least in regular trim, as the hybrid isn't fully tested by the NHTSA yet.
Your description of the Corolla/Camry front end is much more elegant than other descriptions I've heard. I call it the "vacuum cleaner" front end design, and it's definitely a show-stopper... but in a 'not good' kind of way, LOL.
 
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