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I drove the last insight model a few years ago but the 2019 has new features. In my old insight I was able to hit 60mpg easy. My questions are: when I buy the insight I read that you should pump the tires to max psi . Does this improve anything ? Is it bad for your tires ?
I test drove the 2019 insight for about 1 minute only and the salesman showed me the ev button when pressed will drive in pure electric mode until the battery depletes. Do you have to constantly press this ev button or can you just keep it in ev mode? Someone in the forum said to use sport mode which somehow regeneration the battery faster . Should you switch to sport mode maybe down a hill to charge the battery faster then at the bottom of the hill switch to Econ mode? Is Econ and normal mode the same . I tried out the regen paddles on my test drive but i didn’t understand them really, maybe because I was not going downhill to feel the braking. This car is a lot more advanced than the last insight model. Going to be a learning curve to get that 60mpg+
 

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You May ask why I only test drove it for 1 minute. The answer is I love Honda and the insight and there’s no need to test it. This car is fun to drive and it really is like a game when you drive it. You have a mission to get max mpg while
Driving the same boring route to work everyday . I forgot to ask. Can you put the car in neutral going down a big hill in this car or is that pointless ?
 

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Below are my thoughts. I'm sure other forum members will weigh in as well... and if you haven't already downloaded the full Owners Manual online, you may want to do so to help your learning (even before picking up your car). A PDF version of the Owners Manual can be downloaded any time, and a hard copy can be ordered after you purchase/register your car.

1. When I buy the insight I read that you should pump the tires to max psi . Does this improve anything ? Is it bad for your tires ?
The 'higher tire pressure' discussion isn't specific to the Insight, but is a general topic across all cars for optimizing mpg. At lower tire pressure, more of the tire's surface area touches the ground (i.e. friction/heat energy losses that affect mpg). At higher tire pressure, less of the tire touches the ground which helps mpg but can hurt ride comfort, reduce traction, and increase stopping distance. Overall, Honda provides inflation guidelines (see doorjamb), but it's your option as a driver/owner to adjust as long as you stay within the max pressure limits specified by the tires.

2. Do you have to constantly press this ev button or can you just keep it in ev mode?
It depends on what you're trying to achieve. Even when the EV mode button is selected, the mode gets canceled if the high voltage battery level is low, or if you're driving too fast. The max range for EV mode on full battery is ~1-2 miles, so the car isn't designed to run in EV mode forever. It will come back on as conditions allow, without you having to 'constantly press' the EV button. HOWEVER, you don't need to exclusively be in EV mode for the car to go into electric mode. The hybrid modes (Econ, Sport, Normal) also allow for EV operation, balanced with gas engine operation. You'll see an "EV" indicator in the bottom left corner of the drivers screen when electric mode kicks in. Maximizing the time that the "EV" indicator is on is a signal that you're getting the best mpg (i.e. more electric use = less gas use = higher mpg).

3. Someone in the forum said to use sport mode which somehow regeneration the battery faster . Should you switch to sport mode maybe down a hill to charge the battery faster then at the bottom of the hill switch to Econ mode?
The different modes alter the throttle response, performance, and fuel efficiency. Each mode has its pros/cons, and different suggested application based on its operation. Sport mode increases engine performance and decreases fuel economy, but is helpful for hills, curves or mountain roads because of the way it manages energy (p463 of Owners Manual). Sport mode is also the only one that allows you to set and maintain a higher level of regeneration, because it anticipates building battery reserve for high energy use/need. Going down a hill, Sport mode isn't necessary; the left regen paddle can be used to temporarily increase regen/charge in any mode if more battery charging is desired. Switching modes isn't needed for regen management; the modes are more helpful for different overall driving/performance/conditions.

4. Is Econ and normal mode the same .
They're different. Econ mode applies more conservative climate control and accelerator pedal response, which are intended to improve fuel economy (p467 of Owners Manual). Normal mode is the 'middle point' between Econ and Sport mode settings.

5. I tried out the regen paddles on my test drive but i didn’t understand them really, maybe because I was not going downhill to feel the braking.
Regen recovers energy by using the electric motor as a generator when you release the accelerator pedal, like when going downhill (p464 of Owners Manual). The amount of regeneration and deceleration force can be managed by the paddles - left paddle increases regen level (2 clicks max), right paddle decreases regen level (2 clicks min). The initial travel of the foot brake ALSO triggers regeneration, before the friction brakes engage at <5-10 mph. An overall goal of hybrid driving is to maximize the charge of your high voltage battery, so the electric engine/battery can be used instead of the gas engine. Maximizing regeneration helps to manage high voltage battery charge as much as possible.

6. Can you put the car in neutral going down a big hill in this car or is that pointless ?
If your goal is regeneration while going downhill, neutral does not help as it disengages the engine(s). You need the electric engine to be operating for the battery to recharge (i.e. the electric engine becomes a generator for the battery when not in use for driving). The manual recommends that the transmission NOT be put in neutral while driving because regenerative braking and acceleration performance are affected (p454 of Owners Manual). But if your goal is to disconnect the engine for emergency or other reasons, neutral would make more sense.
 

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Congratulations on your forthcoming purchase.

I was going to respond, but Insightfully has pretty much nailed the responses.

I have my tires set to 40 on all four corners. I drive well-maintained roads. If I drove on a potholed city streets, I would stick with the doorjamb pressures.

FYI - your new Insight will not have a spare. Make it a bargaining point and see if you can get them to throw in a civic spare kit (unlikely) or compensate with a set of spash guards and deep floormats! You can pick up your own spare kit for a '16-'18 Civic (which fit perfectly) from most wrecking yards.

- Don
 
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I have run far more than ~1 to 2 miles in EV Mode...even at 60 MPH. When you have a full charge from Sport Mode, and you find an area that is flat or downhill, you can exceed 2 miles EV range by a lot. It all depends on how much of a charge you store, as you are in control of that by choosing different modes, and what your hill or flat conditions are. But the bottom line is that you can have fun fun finding what works best. There are no "rules" other than what Honda offered in their mode programming. But I think you will find the G3 Insight has a lot of power and handling capability than the older model, and depending on what your drive conditions are I would bet you can get similar results.

The other thing about all these mileage claims that gets me is why no one mentions the speed or elevation conditions they got those MPG readings with. In my experience, that matters A LOT. Without that information, it's pointless. It's nice to brag about 68 MPG or whatever, but that can be done easily if it's at 45 MPH in warm weather...AND you don't climb a lot of hills...AND you end up at the same point you started from (round trip). If it isn't a full round-trip report, it's pointless. Getting 60+ MPG at 65 MPH "round trip" I have yet to see. I don't think it's possible at "real" highway speeds.

I'm doing controlled experiments of MPG at 45, 55, 65, 75, 85, 95 and 105 MPH, where you are driving on round-trip courses and doing it in the same weather conditions. I plan to post the results when I'm finished. Even though I can't use the same course for all of these speeds, I am trying to keep hill climbing to a minimum, as that eats gas. I've gotten into the 60's at 55 degrees with a mix of (mostly) 40/45 to (small stretches) 55 MPH, and some traffic blockage (slowing you down) with traffic lights (making you stop). But it's back to the 40's at highway speeds in Normal Mode. Around here, even less in Econ Mode. My experience, so far, is 50 MPH (cold weather) being the breaking point between in to 50's or in the 40's mileage wise. And I have seen a 10 MPH bump up in mileage between temperatures in the high 30's and high 50's doing that above "mix" run, so that matters a lot.

The regen paddles are key to recovering as much energy as you can when you see traffic coming to a stop ahead of time. And like Insightfully said, Sport Mode is the only mode that maximum regeneration will stay on whatever you set it at (if you don't use ACC). That experience in hilly, curvy road conditions is superb. Feels tight, and regen breaks when you take your foot off the accelerator.

So, YMMV depending on a lot of things. I'll be curious to see how well you do, but please DO include your driving conditions.

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In my old insight my driving conditions were bumper to bumper highway half that and half rural roads. In Pennsylvania lots of hills. 25 miles each way . Hardly ever using ac . But the 60 mpg was only in the summer. Could only get maybe 45-50 in the winter
 

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In my old insight my driving conditions were bumper to bumper highway half that and half rural roads. In Pennsylvania lots of hills. 25 miles each way . Hardly ever using ac . But the 60 mpg was only in the summer. Could only get maybe 45-50 in the winter
That's a good mix, and sounds like honest weather numbers. No doubt, the Insight does better in city conditions...odd as that may sound. I actually like the way the G2 Insight looks. Thought about getting one...until I took one look at a white G3 Insight, which is now my car!

Congrats on your purchase. I think you will like it! :smile:

BTW, What color are you going for?

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Forgot to mention auto-EV Mode. You can be driving at highway speeds and see the EV kick in automatically, as it does that. Last night on I-84 in CT it really ran quite a while (automatically) in EV while coming back home. I even watched it going up hill while still in auto-EV. So you don't "have to" press the EV button. That button is there for when you want to push it into EV...like when driving through town or a shopping area, showing off your "electric car". :D It's vain, I admit it. But it's fun to show off this gorgeous car!

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Forgot to mention auto-EV Mode. You can be driving at highway speeds and see the EV kick in automatically, as it does that. Last night on I-84 in CT it really ran quite a while (automatically) in EV while coming back home. I even watched it going up hill while still in auto-EV. So you don't "have to" press the EV button. That button is there for when you want to push it into EV...like when driving through town or a shopping area, showing off your "electric car". :D It's vain, I admit it. But it's fun to show off this gorgeous car!
To ensure we're talking the same terms, there is an "EV Indicator" and and "EV Mode Indicator." (Close, but different items.)

The "EV Mode Indicator" displays when the "EV" button is pressed, and is what I understood Magikhat was asking about. My experience is that staying in this mode (pure electric only) lasts for 1-2 miles tops until the high voltage battery is too low to support. EV mode does not work at high speeds, and would turn off if selected while on highway.

The "EV Indicator" can display in the bottom left corner of the driver's screen even when "EV mode" is NOT selected, when the electric engine is propelling the car in one of the hybrid modes (Sport/Econ/Normal). Like you, I've also experienced a many-mile distance while the EV Indicator has been on... but this distance was in a hybrid mode, rather than in "EV mode" only.
 

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To ensure we're talking the same terms, there is an "EV Indicator" and and "EV Mode Indicator." (Close, but different items.)

The "EV Mode Indicator" displays when the "EV" button is pressed, and is what I understood Magikhat was asking about. My experience is that staying in this mode (pure electric only) lasts for 1-2 miles tops until the high voltage battery is too low to support. EV mode does not work at high speeds, and would turn off if selected while on highway.

The "EV Indicator" can display in the bottom left corner of the driver's screen even when "EV mode" is NOT selected, when the electric engine is propelling the car in one of the hybrid modes (Sport/Econ/Normal). Like you, I've also experienced a many-mile distance while the EV Indicator has been on... but this distance was in a hybrid mode, rather than in "EV mode" only.
This is not complicated. One is automatic (left side EV indication), and one that you can force (on the right side) on by pressing the EV Mode switch. The later is optional. Both do the same thing. Your're running on electric only.

And sorry to disagree with you, but manual EV (only) Mode DOES work at high speed...no matter what the manual says. I do it all the time. I can run pure electric going 65 MPH, and not just down hills. It works. But I did notice both automatic Hybrid Mode, and manual EV Mode, are unusable at speeds around 75 MPH on flat or uphill conditions (in 40 degree temp range...unknown yet at higher temp ranges).

The OP, Magikhat, asked, "Do you have to constantly press this ev button or can you just keep it in ev mode?". Maybe a bit confusing, as it doesn't fit either mode of operation. But the short answer is that pressing EV Mode will put you in electric only mode until you run out of battery, or demand more torque than the electric motor can supply on its own. Automatic "Hybrid" operation switches into EV when the computer evaluates that conditions are good to run electric only. It does all the guess work.

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And sorry to disagree with you, but manual EV (only) Mode DOES work at high speed...no matter what the manual says. I do it all the time. I can run pure electric going 65 MPH, and not just down hills. It works. But I did notice both automatic Hybrid Mode, and manual EV Mode, are unusable at speeds around 75 MPH on flat or uphill conditions (in 40 degree temp range...unknown yet at higher temp ranges).
Perhaps you own the ultimate "unicorn" Insight since most reviews and driving experience (not just the manual) indicate that "EV mode" only works for short distances and low speeds -?:

Green Car Reports - "We tipped it into EV mode to test overall electric-only range, which was less than a mile at low speeds"

Motor Trend - "EV mode only uses power from the electric motor but only for short distances and at lower speeds. With a fully charged battery, Econ mode on, and a very light foot, I was able to drive in EV mode for about 2.5 miles going between 20 and 25 mph on a mostly flat street."

SlashGear - "There’s an EV mode button which, in theory, locks the Insight into battery power alone, but you’re looking at about a mile of driving like that at most. That’s assuming you can keep EV mode from deactivating, too: push the gas pedal more than a fraction, and the rest of the powertrain kicks back in."
 

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Those "professional reviewers", who only do "test drives", all say the same things, and don't own the car. Most reviews I have seen are the same regurgitated "factory talking points". I OWN this car, and drive it a lot. I try everything, and I can tell you right now that EV Mode works AT HIGH SPEED...NO PROBLEM. No "unicorn" here.

Do you own a generation 3 Insight? If you do, how could you not know this?

As long as you don't go into the gray area, and stay in the blue, EV Mode stays engaged. You can work up to highway speed with some flat roadway, or downgrade condition, or switch it into EV Mode once you are already at highway speed. It works, and stays in EV Mode until either the battery runs low or you push the accelerator into the gray zone. 65 MPH EV Mode is possible. I do it all the time...in the blue section.

So no, the "test drive" reviewers are wrong, as well. Speed has nothing to do with EV Mode working or not working. Battery charge and power demand are what regulate it working or switching out of the mode.

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Do you own a generation 3 Insight? If you do, how could you not know this?
Interesting (or odd?) question from you, but as I've mentioned in prior posts... I drive in Econ mode almost exclusively, with occasional support from Sport mode on highways and hills. I'm happy with the mpg I get and the relative amount of time that the "EV Indicator" comes on - without having to be fussy about messing with the different mode selections like "EV Mode" during my drive. Also as mentioned, I've gotten long stretches (including highway miles) in hybrid mode (Econ) without having to revert to electric-only EV mode. Net, the car does a great job without having to over-manage the button modes... and button management isn't a requirement for getting great mpg.
 

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I have experienced my Insight switching to ev mode by itself while driving in normal mode cruising on the highway at around 60mph.
 
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I don't have to be "fussy" with anything to get great MPG either. But I have FUN changing up modes and get even better MPG by being smarter than the vehicle computer. I know my roads. The computer doesn't know my roads. It only senses the changes in speed/torque demand and adjusts to it. I can anticipate the best time to charge up, and then the best time to run EV Mode better than the computer. That can result in better MPG. No one said anyone HAD TO do anything special, but you CAN if you so desire. That's all. And all this banter about EV Mode only being available at low speed was hogwash. Just flat out WRONG. Why you made such a long winded rebuttal about that incorrect point has me wondering.

You must have a "unicorn" if you get better mileage in Econ Mode. All my CONTROLLED testing shows MPG loss in Econ Mode. Then again, you didn't specify anything about the speed you are driving, elevation changes, temperature or driving conditions. All that matters a whole lot. I'm still trying to find some condition where Econ Mode works better than Normal Mode. Maybe it exists, but not where I live.

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I have experienced my Insight switching to ev mode by itself while driving in normal mode cruising on the highway at around 60mph.
And it's so cool to see it do that. Isn't it?

I watched it start to climb a sizable hill in EV on I-84 around Middlebury, CT yesterday and couldn't believe it was climbing the hill at 65 MPH in EV. If I didn't run out of battery, it might have made it over the hill. Smooth rolling car. :smile_big:

I love this car!

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EV mode is ONLY possible if you are within the blue part of the power band. That said, it's very possible to do that at high speeds if the terrain is flat. Sorry to disagree with Phil, but I'm in econ nearly 100% of the time, and my total lifetime Fuelly average shows it works as advertised. Sport mode if fun, but it allows for little battery range as it's configured to keep the charge at 2/3 of total to allow for reserve. ECON won't kick the ICE in until the charge drops below four bars (or the blue power band is exceeded).
 

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Just picked up this beauty about 3 hours ago. Only drove it about 15 miles. Found it is very loud going up a big hill but very quiet on normal roads. I found it hard to stay in the green like the old insight. Like you let up your foot. Get the green then apply slight pressure but not too much but it seems to always go into the blue. Right above the green is a solid blue until it switches to the lines. Not sure what it means
 

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