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Hello,

Just including the maintenance requiements here for anyone.
It's impressive how little maintenance there is on the Insight.

2019 Honda Insight Touring_Maintenance Echelon.pdf
2019_Insight_Maintenance_Minder_System.pdf

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Maintenance Schedule

Hello all,
Not sure if posted this in the correct area or not. So my car has about 350 miles on the clock and I’m a good way out from requiring any maintenance. My question is, does anyone have a maintenance schedule for the car. I know it has a maintenance minder that will tell you when to replace the oil but I want to see the physical schedule. I got the owners manual, the 600+ page one, and it is silent on this topic. Every car I have ever owned shows a schedule of required maintenance and the intervals of when these items are to be completed. I like to do my own work on my cars so, I may be a bit of an odd bird. The dealer simply handed me a generic schedule for all Honda 4 cylinder engines. This car has a different power train so I assume it would require different intervals. I plan on doing oil changes every 5,000 miles but what about transmission, inverter coolant, engine coolant and valve adjustment? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 

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I’m sure someone will say I’m wrong but new Honda’s only really need oil changes now every 7500-10000 miles . With this type of car I plan on only servicing at Honda. They know what they are doing I don’t think I’ll trust 3rd party shops
 

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I don’t think a pen actual mileage based schedule exists. The best I’ve been able to come up with is the upcoming items being displayed under Settings > Vehicle > Maintenance. I just was in it yesterday to reset my tire rotation reminder. My next maintenance is the B type. I’ll do it when my oil life hits 15%.
 

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It's in the PDF Owner's manual as to what gets done with each maintenance code (starts on page 118), but there are no mileages associated with them. This is because everyone's engine will run at different times with different loads. I good estimate for your first oil change it at roughly 10K miles. All you should need to do between now and then is check your oil level and tire pressures regularly. You won't need to worry about the transmission since the Insight doesn't have one.
 

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It's in the PDF Owner's manual as to what gets done with each maintenance code (starts on page 118), but there are no mileages associated with them. This is because everyone's engine will run at different times with different loads. I good estimate for your first oil change it at roughly 10K miles. All you should need to do between now and then is check your oil level and tire pressures regularly. You won't need to worry about the transmission since the Insight doesn't have one.
Transmission fluid change is listed as a possible maintenance sub-item in the attachment (code #3). The footnote below that section mentions that low speed driving in mountain areas cause the highest transmission temperatures and/or degradation, so will require fluid change every 47.5k miles or 3 years.

Also, I believe the attachment in prior post is from the Owners Guide, where the maintenance info starts on ~pg 118, while the maintenance info section in the Owners Manual starts on ~pg 551.
 

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Hello all,
Not sure if posted this in the correct area or not. So my car has about 350 miles on the clock and I’m a good way out from requiring any maintenance. My question is, does anyone have a maintenance schedule for the car. I know it has a maintenance minder that will tell you when to replace the oil but I want to see the physical schedule. I got the owners manual, the 600+ page one, and it is silent on this topic. Every car I have ever owned shows a schedule of required maintenance and the intervals of when these items are to be completed. I like to do my own work on my cars so, I may be a bit of an odd bird. The dealer simply handed me a generic schedule for all Honda 4 cylinder engines. This car has a different power train so I assume it would require different intervals. I plan on doing oil changes every 5,000 miles but what about transmission, inverter coolant, engine coolant and valve adjustment? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Will this tie you over for the next ~9.5 years until your coolant change? Haha

Maybe there are more like this scattered around.
 

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Thanks for the replies. I guess I am a little old fashioned as far as the maintenance thing goes. I may be over doing it but I think I will change my oil every 5,000 or 7,500 miles. Probably stick to the 5,000 mile interval. It’s cheap insurance. Not quite sure how the oil change monitor works in the car? Does anyone know if the monitor “analyzes” he chemical composition of the oil or is it some sort of engine hours/time/miles driven algorithm? Don’t know if I’m being paranoid but Honda did have an oil dilution problem in their new Turbocharged CRV motors. I realize that’s a totally different engine but yet another reason for me to do the oil changes a little prematurely. Once again thanks for the wisdom and advice that you guys have put out here for everyone.
 

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Thanks for the replies. I guess I am a little old fashioned as far as the maintenance thing goes. I may be over doing it but I think I will change my oil every 5,000 or 7,500 miles. Probably stick to the 5,000 mile interval. It’s cheap insurance. Not quite sure how the oil change monitor works in the car? Does anyone know if the monitor “analyzes” he chemical composition of the oil or is it some sort of engine hours/time/miles driven algorithm? Don’t know if I’m being paranoid but Honda did have an oil dilution problem in their new Turbocharged CRV motors. I realize that’s a totally different engine but yet another reason for me to do the oil changes a little prematurely. Once again thanks for the wisdom and advice that you guys have put out here for everyone.
I believe the oil dilution issue was localized to the 1.5 turbo engines used in the CR-V.

As far as changing the oil every 5-7K miles, it won't hurt, and the filter location makes for a clean swap. My '99 Civic was an awful mess during filter changes. If you think about it, the Insight's engine does not run during the 100% of miles driven - and rarely during idle. The monitor runs off a formula taking into account all engine factors like weather, load, duration, etc to come up with a number. There is no "lab" in the car that physically analyzes the oil. I'd estimate my engine only runs about 75-80% of the time, so pushing a 7,500 normal oil change interval up to 10,000 seems legit. My 15% maintenance alert came up at a tad at 10,241 miles.

At 13,000 miles, I think the area that I've done the most maintenance (other than washing/vacuuming) is filling the washer fluid!
 

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Yes! Forgot about the "no tranny" and therefor no tranny fluid change. Another reason to like this car.
The transmission maintenance should be very minor, but do keep in mind that the Gen3 Insight "technically" has an automatic transmission, and carries 2.3 qt of ATF DW-1 Automatic Transmission Fluid. (By comparison, the CVT Civic carries 3.7 qt and the Manual Civic carries 2.0 qt.)

Net, if you own the car long enough, don't be surprised if you see a maintenance sub-item code for transmission fluid change on the Insight!
 

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The monitor runs off a formula taking into account all engine factors like weather, load, duration, etc to come up with a number. There is no "lab" in the car that physically analyzes the oil. I'd estimate my engine only runs about 75-80% of the time, so pushing a 7,500 normal oil change interval up to 10,000 seems legit. My 15% maintenance alert came up at a tad at 10,241 miles.
Agree with hasarad's comments and would add that short trips, frequent start/stops (city driving), and hilly terrain cause higher engine temperature (and shorten oil life). The different modes (EV/Econ/Sport) affect engine use, but can be indirectly tracked as output results from electronic sensors in the drivetrain.

I believe Honda eliminated time/distance maintenance recommendations which were based on mileage-counters, once the in-dashboard maintenance minder tracking system was added. The electronic sensors send info on engine rpm, ambient/engine temperature, coolant temperature, number of starts/stops, driving time, driving style (time throttle is open), and engine timing/load to the car's computer for tracking/logging of key factors affecting oil life. The data is tracked (until reset) and runs through a mathematical algorithm to predict conditions for oil life degradation (film strength). The resulting 'remaining oil life' calculation is posted for the driver in the maintenance minder area. It's also possible that Honda has sensors to test/track the conductivity of oil to determine oil life, BUT I think this is unlikely since existing electronic sensors can be used with relative accuracy.

Lastly, since these are INDIRECT measurements for oil life, any physical/actual check of the dipstick that shows gummy, milky, gritty, dirty or unusually low level should trump the indicator and trigger oil replacement.
 

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The info posted on this Honda dealer site is Honda-generic (i.e. similar posts on other dealer sites), but I liked the Q&A it chose to list.

Of note, a Honda technician can use the "Forced Activation Mode" to tell you in advance what the next recommended service(s) will be. They can check this for you as long as oil life is between 100% to 16%. (Notification system turns on automatically at 15%, so no 'forced activation' is required.)
 

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Lastly, since these are INDIRECT measurements for oil life, any physical/actual check of the dipstick that shows gummy, milky, gritty, dirty or unusually low level should trump the indicator and trigger oil replacement.
^Definitely check the dipstick to make sure and don't totally depend on the maintenance minder.
 

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^Definitely check the dipstick to make sure and don't totally depend on the maintenance minder.
My dipstick has a lot of friction. I have to tug a little to remove it, and I have to help it back in, too. It makes me a little skeptical of the reading.

I kind of wish I had a graph of odometer vs. oil life. Right now I'm about to hit 7000 miles and I have 50% oil life.
 

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I kind of wish I had a graph of odometer vs. oil life. Right now I'm about to hit 7000 miles and I have 50% oil life.
Not sure if this helps or hurts as additional info... but 50% oil life can mean remaining oil life of 41-50%. The display only changes in 10% increments, but indicates a wider range. Using the hi/lo ranges and the miles you've driven so far, the math suggests that your car will display 15% life remaining sometime between 10.1k and 11.9k miles.
 

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Not sure if this helps or hurts as additional info... but 50% oil life can mean remaining oil life of 41-50%. The display only changes in 10% increments, but indicates a wider range. Using the hi/lo ranges and the miles you've driven so far, the math suggests that your car will display 15% life remaining sometime between 10.1k and 11.9k miles.
Since you expressed uncertainty, I'll confirm that I already knew that, both from my own observation and the previous forum discussion. It seemed clear that Honda does not want to predict more than one sig fig of oil life... although I guess they start to when it switches from 20% to 15%.

What I'd be mildly interested in from a graph is the rate of change. Naively I expect the "oil life" to decay more rapidly toward the end, since the oil is getting worse as the time goes on. In that case the linear extrapolation you demonstrate wouldn't hold as well. Again, just mildly interested.
 
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