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https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a26287347/2019-honda-insight-reliability-maintenance/

Car and Driver decided to do a 40k test on their Insight Touring. Looking forward to seeing the results!
I don't think car and driver have post an update on their long term Insight yet but motor trend just published one today(EX model).


https://www.motortrend.com/cars/honda/insight/2019/2019-honda-insight-ex-long-term-update-1-review/

  • The Insight is a solid road-tripper. Two days of driving 4.5 hours each, and I was never uncomfortable or desperate to get out of the car. The manual seats don't do anything special; they're just plain comfortable.
  • The little phone tray/wireless charger is placed perfectly. It's one step away from having a vent or windshield mount for your phone. It's easy to glance down to see Waze and no worse than looking at the infotainment screen.
  • On a cold day, you don't need the heater. Just set the climate control to HI and turn it off. The ducts stay open, and warm air flows into the cabin. Driving in 30-to-40-degree weather, I didn't even need a jacket in the car. In fact, I had to turn it down because I was getting too warm in the sun
  • The Insight does struggle with altitude. Most of the time, it's a series hybrid where the engine just drives a generator, but at high speeds and high loads, a clutch locks the engine to the wheels. In L.A., accelerating onto the freeway and passing at freeway speeds was slow but not bad. At altitude (6,000 feet at the Grand Canyon), the limitations of the little electric motor and little gasoline engine are apparent, and that's with one person aboard.
  • The lane departure warning system is hypersensitive to the point of annoyance. It often mistakes seams in the concrete with lane lines and throws warnings about lane departure when you're dead centered in the lane. To experience this, drive south on the 405 between Century Blvd. and El Segundo Blvd. Happened every day during my commute.
  • The road sign detection software can't distinguish between normal speed limit signs and truck/towing speed limit signs, so it will often show the limit as 55 mph in the instrument cluster even when you're in a 65-, 70-, or 75-mpg zone if you recently passed a truck limit sign.
  • The engine note is a drone, but most of the time it's quiet enough you don't notice it behind the radio. It seems to have three speeds, something in the 2,500 rpm range for normal driving, something around 4,000 rpm for heavy loads, and what has to be 6,000 rpm for extreme cases. If it's at either of the two higher speeds, it's pretty loud and obnoxious, but luckily it only seems to do that when you're going up a steep hill at freeway speeds.
  • It's really impressive how much time the car is able to spend in EV mode. The battery isn't large, only good for about a mile of pure EV range, but even cruising at 70 mph it spent a shocking amount of time with the engine off without losing speed.
  • It took me several days to realize the paddle shifters actually change the regen setting. I probably could've guessed based on my experience with other EVs, but better labeling would've helped given the car has a Sport mode. I assumed they would simulate gears. Once I figured it out, I was a bit disappointed the higher regen settings time out and the car goes back to its default regen after less than a minute. I prefer one-pedal driving in most situations, and it's annoying having to crank the regen back up every time I want to slow down.
  • The fuel economy and range estimations are extremely conservative. At the start of the drive, it predicted 414 miles of range. I went 480 miles. Throughout the drive, it estimated an average of 44 mpg. Doing the math at the gas station, I actually averaged 52 mpg. Even allowing for differences in gas pumps, that's a big difference.
  • The Insight is extremely sensitive to powertrain loads. With Econ mode on and the climate, cruise, active safety, and infotainment systems off and driving gently at 60 to 70 mph, I did 480 miles on a tank going from sea level to 6,000 feet. On the way back down, with all those systems on and cruise set to 80 mph, I did 380 miles on a tank. That's a huge swing depending on how hard the engine has to work.
  • I'm genuinely impressed with the tires. It rained heavily the entire drive and snowed 4 to 8 inches overnight, and the Insight had no issues despite its rock-hard low-rolling-resistance tires. The only time they slipped was turning out of a driveway, trying to accelerate with a lot of steering angle, and even then, it was just a little scrape and go. Not even a full rotation of slip, not even half a rotation. With the smooth torque delivery from the EV motor, I had no trouble getting moving in the snow. I thought it would be skatey at higher speeds, but it felt solid all the time. Great winter car.
  • I love most that the Insight looks like a normal car. Just badges. It doesn't look like a science project (Prius) or knock-off French design (Kona EV). It's normal, functional, uncompromised, and can do Prius mileage."
 

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I am a little worried about when it comes time to get new tires, since I read in a different thread that the originals have been discontinued. They were solid during the winter, and they have given great mileage. I was up to 54.6 MPG on my last tank.

Surprised about the reviewer's disparity between the DII MPG and the “gas station” MPG. I’ve never seen such a big difference.
 

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I am a little worried about when it comes time to get new tires, since I read in a different thread that the originals have been discontinued. They were solid during the winter, and they have given great mileage. I was up to 54.6 MPG on my last tank.

Surprised about the reviewer's disparity between the DII MPG and the “gas station” MPG. I’ve never seen such a big difference.
https://www.gen3insight.com/forum/7-2019-honda-insight-general-discussion/2040-tire-pressure-monitoring-system-tpms-problem-4.html#post10360
^Are you referring to the above thread? @rcarlton mentioned he was able to order the TX tires again.
 

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Worst Long Term Review Motor Trend did. Believe the comment section of that video attests to that as well.
Did a honest and thorough ~30,000 mile review recently on my Insight if you'd like to check it out

 

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MotorTrend is a little late but glad to see standout safety getting more attention by the larger media outlets.
Agree. It was odd to see a recap of safety ratings as their 4th 'long term review.' But it also gave me the impression that the car is (maybe?) so good and consistent with Motor Trend's prior write-ups that the safety features were the only 'new' thing they could write about. :)
 

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4th long-term update (5th update total) from Motor Trend: https://www.motortrend.com/cars/honda/insight/2019/2019-honda-insight-ex-long-term-update-5-review/

It's kind of a mundane report, but is what most of us have experienced: uneventful first maintenance trip to the dealer.

Insight was taken in for A-1 service at ~12k miles. Also investigated were a dash squeak that couldn't be replicated or resolved (passenger side above glove box - intermittently appears and/or when bumpy conditions). Filling the tires seemed to help the squeak (for now).
 

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4th long-term update (5th update total) from Motor Trend: https://www.motortrend.com/cars/honda/insight/2019/2019-honda-insight-ex-long-term-update-5-review/

It's kind of a mundane report, but is what most of us have experienced: uneventful first maintenance trip to the dealer.

Insight was taken in for A-1 service at ~12k miles. Also investigated were a dash squeak that couldn't be replicated or resolved (passenger side above glove box - intermittently appears and/or when bumpy conditions). Filling the tires seemed to help the squeak (for now).
  • Our mileage when we dropped it off: 12,879, or 958 miles past due for the A-1 service
  • They did notice that the tires weren't properly inflated, which they believed to be the problem.
  • "1" means they'll check the condition and pressure of the tires and rotate them as needed. Sounds about right for the Insight's first 12,000 miles.
They didn't rotate the tires for over 12,000 miles and drove almost 1,000 miles after being alerted to do an oil change. Plus the tires were underinflated for who knows how long. :eek:
 

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Motor Trend posted its 5th long-term update (6th review total), this time focusing comments on the Insight's qualities as a long distance road trip car - https://www.motortrend.com/cars/honda/insight/2019/2019-honda-insight-ex-long-term-update-6-review/

A 30 hour round-trip from Los Angeles to San Francisco was the subject of this testing / review. The Insight (Touring trim) got compliments for low road and tire noise, build quality, and user-friendly infotainment system.

Steering response was rated 'average' and ACC/LKAS were not perfect when road imperfections were present. And once the car was loaded with contents, the engine noise became annoying. Lack of lumbar support was also critiqued (again).
 

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Motor Trend posted its 5th long-term update (6th review total), this time focusing comments on the Insight's qualities as a long distance road trip car - https://www.motortrend.com/cars/honda/insight/2019/2019-honda-insight-ex-long-term-update-6-review/

A 30 hour round-trip from Los Angeles to San Francisco was the subject of this testing / review. The Insight (Touring trim) got compliments for low road and tire noise, build quality, and user-friendly infotainment system.

Steering response was rated 'average' and ACC/LKAS were not perfect when road imperfections were present. And once the car was loaded with contents, the engine noise became annoying. Lack of lumbar support was also critiqued (again).
Seems like a fair review to me. The Insight is not perfect but that's pretty much like every mainstream brand car.
 

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Motortrend is done with their long term Insight review after a year.
Reads as a generally neutral-to-positive review. They seemed "okay" with its performance, but the recap wasn't exactly glowing or gushing. I guess it speaks to the car's practicality and general satisfaction with performance/results over the year. The ivory cloth interior was ding'd a bit though...
 

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I guess it speaks to the car's practicality and general satisfaction with performance/results over the year.
I'm not sure if you got the chance to read the above thread that I posted. It provides info on the development goals for the 3rd gen Insight. Honda didn't bring the Insight back to compete with the Prius's fuel efficiency. :)
  1. This new Insight aims to be a fun car or a car that makes it a pleasure to own, rather than the latter.
  2. When you drive, you can see the difference from a conventional hybrid car.
  3. Rather, in order to achieve fuel efficiency, conventional hybrid cars were trying to run on electricity efficiently without wasting gasoline. However, this insight is set up so that you can feel the exhilaration of the run first and feel good when you hold the steering wheel.
  4. You talked about intrinsic value, but I think it's good to sell the story of cars, not cars as products. However, if you make a car that only pursues fuel efficiency, you will become a parts provider, and someday it will be changed for another.
  5. That's right. In that sense, I would like you to enjoy driving instead of buying this new Insight as a means of transportation.
  6. Horikawa says that it is likely to be compared with the Prius because of its body size and hybrid car. Insight is not aware of environmental vehicles. It aims to be a prime car, to be used for a long time, and to be a car that suits itself, not just an expensive car.
  7. Recently, it is said that the usability of the car is important for customers, but Honda believes that "enriching life" and "joy of driving" are two wheels of the car.
  8. At first, the concept was “Timeless and Simple”. The plan started with the desire to deliver it as a prime (high-quality) car, and the debate was "What is prime in the first place?"
  9. Good design and good driving, fun to drive simply, pure running. Pursue the intrinsic value of such vehicles. The skeleton was decided to be realized with a sedan, the basic form of a car.
 

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I'm not sure if you got the chance to read the above thread that I posted. It provides info on the development goals for the 3rd gen Insight. Honda didn't bring the Insight back to compete with the Prius's fuel efficiency. :)
My comments just related to the Motor Trend review. Unfortunately, regardless of how Honda 'intends' to position the Insight, the reality is that consumers and reviewers will make their own comparisons, right or wrong. And with the Prius being the best selling hybrid, the comparison is inevitable.
 
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