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The car is in essence a serial hybrid. When one shifts into drive or Reverse, the car should not "creep" like an ICE car. It could act like a electric car. I can understand why Honda doesn't want to do this as most Insight drivers will be upgrading from an ICE car. However why not have an option to switch between creep mode and electric car mode? There's no need to drive the electric motor when there is no need for motion (driving the electric motor to create force when the brake is activated). It's unavoidable in a CVT/conventional auto trans coupled to an ICE, but for a serial hybrid like the Insight where the electric motor drives the wheels with no transmission, then the creep is pointless.

It's just software. Just update the software and allow that option in the menu.
 

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Hey @IronQQQ, welcome to the forum!

If you activate brake hold it won’t creep if I’m understanding you correctly.

The Insight is a series hybrid but it will switch to a serial hybrid when it wants the gas engine to drive the wheels.
 

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Also keep in mind it's sold as a hybrid to the average consumer. Having a lack of creep in the car would probably be a bit confusing and jarring to Joe blow consumer. Adding the feature in would probably cost 19cents a car and Honda couldn't even be bothered to add a conversion button to the digital speedometer so I doubt they'd spend the money. Love the car, but I'm beginning to dislike Honda the company a little. Just a little so far. 😜
 

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Hey @IronQQQ, welcome to the forum!

If you activate brake hold it won’t creep if I’m understanding you correctly.

The Insight is a series hybrid but it will switch to a serial hybrid when it wants the gas engine to drive the wheels.
The car won't creep when brake hold is activated. One of the best features of the Insight is the button to activate the brake hold and it will stay activated until cancelled. I've driven Priuses and it doesn't have that really nice feature.

The Insight does switch to parallel hybrid, but remember it only does so at highway speeds around 65-70 mph, so whether it not creep mode is active or not is a moot point at that speed.
 

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Also keep in mind it's sold as a hybrid to the average consumer. Having a lack of creep in the car would probably be a bit confusing and jarring to Joe blow consumer. Adding the feature in would probably cost 19cents a car and Honda couldn't even be bothered to add a conversion button to the digital speedometer so I doubt they'd spend the money. Love the car, but I'm beginning to dislike Honda the company a little. Just a little so far. 😜
Oh no not another button! 😆

Another topic but the insight has too many screens and buttons.

It just needs to be a menu option under the Vehicle setting.
 

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The car won't creep when brake hold is activated. One of the best features of the Insight is the button to activate the brake hold and it will stay activated until cancelled. I've driven Priuses and it doesn't have that really nice feature.
Yes, glad you found it on the Insight! Keep in mind there are a few other actions that cancel brake hold (and automatically engage the parking brake instead) other than canceling via the button... the brake hold also deactivates if used >10 minutes or if driver's seat belt is unfastened.

I prefer the roll forward/'creep' approach, in part for minor fuel efficiency when accelerating from stop, and in part feeling more familiar to a traditional ICE. I'm glad Honda offers drivers the option to manage this preference via brake hold.
 

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Oh no not another button! 😆

Another topic but the insight has too many screens and buttons.

It just needs to be a menu option under the Vehicle setting.
Ha, yes - it confused me initially as to why Honda duplicated display options between the Drivers Info Interface (DII) and the Infotainment screen. There's the option to reduce/remove some of the options from appearing in the DII menu to shorten the list. Frankly, even though there are lot of things to see and pick from, I find that I've settled on a short list of views I prefer... which now makes the displays feel more manageable.
 

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Oh no not another button! 😆

Another topic but the insight has too many screens and buttons.

It just needs to be a menu option under the Vehicle setting.
I think this was done to simplify the manufacturing process for Honda. The LX trim doesn't have a display audio tablet screen to adjust vehicle settings so they placed that into the DII(The digital screen next to the speedometer). On the EX and Touring trim we end up with 2 places to adjust these settings because of it. You do have the option to customize the options that show up in the DII and Display audio tablet screens like @insightfully mentioned. If you want to remove the ones you don't want displayed.
 

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I think this was done to simplify the manufacturing process for Honda. The LX trim doesn't have a display audio tablet screen to adjust vehicle settings so they placed that into the DII(The digital screen next to the speedometer). On the EX and Touring trim we end up with 2 places to adjust these settings because of it. You do have the option to customize the options that show up in the DII and Display audio tablet screens like @insightfully mentioned. If you want to remove the ones you don't want displayed.
There's also the option to select/save up to 3 different configurations of the DII panel (e.g. to accommodate preferences for separate drivers).

A picture of the Accord's "Config. of Instrument Panel" screen is attached, and for the Insight it's located on the infotainment screen at SYSTEM --> CONFIG OF INSTRUMENT PANEL --> SELECT CONFIGURATION. Admittedly it still is a few extra buttons to push, but it could make things easier ongoing, once set up.
 

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Yes, glad you found it on the Insight! Keep in mind there are a few other actions that cancel brake hold (and automatically engage the parking brake instead) other than canceling via the button... the brake hold also deactivates if used >10 minutes or if driver's seat belt is unfastened.

I prefer the roll forward/'creep' approach, in part for minor fuel efficiency when accelerating from stop, and in part feeling more familiar to a traditional ICE. I'm glad Honda offers drivers the option to manage this preference via brake hold.
Having a tight 2 car garage and three cars, I'm constantly playing parking valet moving the cars in and out of the garage and juggling them around.

I clearly prefer electric car mode vs ICE creep model. When you need to adjust by an inch or two, there is just better control with electric car mode. In this mode, I have to "do something" (step on the pedal) to make the car move. Else there is no harm.

In ICE/hybrid mode (as in the Insight). The car is already doing something, wanting to lurch forward, so I use to brake to control the lurching, to hold it back. the second I let go, it's going to move away from me. The brake slip vs motion forward point is not always distinct and thus I feel it's harder to control.

Perhaps I'm just to picky about where the cars end up. My goal is to clear the left shelf by 1 inch and on the other spot is to have 1 inch clearance from the car rear bumper to the garage door.
 

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I have a lot of gripes about the Insight... After exclusively owning Honda's for the last 24 years... This car has not impressed me much.

At first I thought the brake hold button was genius. I raved about it. Even my friends mighty 19 CRV touring did not have this feature and that car has the same Honda sensing (which I highly dislike.. I thinks it's much better on the Toyota)

First a review of two brake holds. In the Insight, once brake hold mode is activated, brake hold activates Everytime braking brings the car to a stop. Brilliant compared to an ice car where I usually pull on the hand brake or shift into neutral. I do this all the time in my Accord. I even shut off the engine at long stop lights.

Tesla brake hold activates by braking, coming to a complete stop and then stepping further down the brake pedal. At first I found this quite cumbersome as it needed additional motion beyond normal braking.

Now months into both Insight and the Model 3, I find Honda system cumbersome. First, I have to remember to turn it on. I often forget to turn it on and the car creeps away unexpectedly.

It's always on on the Tesla. It's just a matter of wanting to activate it by continued braking motion which is very natural extension of what you are doing already. It's not cumbersome anymore.

Second, you have to turn off brake hold in parking lots. you come to a complete stop to let someone pass or something... and the brake hold activates, but you can't just let go of the brake for the car to creep forward because brake hold mode is on. So you either have to turn off brake hold and act like an ice car which is the easiest... or press on the accelerator and then immediately switch your foot to brake because it acts like an ice car and will creep away. I find it cumbersome to deal with in these slow to stopped situations. It's better just to turn off brake hold... If you can remember.

Contrast that with the Tesla... With creep off (EV car behavior). You slow and activate brake hold by just braking down a little further.. and just nudge the accelerator to get the car moving again.. but since creep is off, the car doesn't run / creep away from you, so you don't need to switch back to the brake pedal until you need to completely stop again. It's really simple.

Again... I think Honda dumbed down the brake hold to make it seem more like an ice car. They should get rid of the brake hold button and have it activate by pressing the brake pedal more and just allow an option to completely disable / enable through the menu.

The Insight is kind of like an ice car sometimes and sometimes not. This really bugs me as it isn't the best marriage of both worlds.

They should make it act like an EV 100% of the time since the electric motor drives the wheels.

I rent a decent amount of cars and I've rented quite a few hybrids and I will put a 1000 miles on each car over a week each time. The 3rd gen Prius really frustrated me. The current 4th gen Prius is really great... Cept that it feels like driving a slug compared to the Insight. The Insight though it drives great, still really bugs me. It could be a lot better.
 

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I find in some traffic situations that involve shorter times at stops but with frequent stops that using the ACC is better. In heavy traffic it stops the car for you and only takes a button press for the car to start moving again. I only use brake hold when in line for fast food or car washes where the wait times in between movement is longer. Try using your acc in traffic conditions. You might find the car less annoying for you.
 

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I have to ask, is it really that hard to just hold the brake pedal for short stops?? Like Verdier, I’ve only used brake hold for traffic jams and long fast food lines. Otherwise, I see no use for it to hold the brakes for me and therefore consider the current button setup adequate. It’s exactly how my mom’s Hyundai Sonata operates as well.

I find the Insight to be the perfect marriage between ice and electric. No range anxiety but quiet operation and quick step off of an electric.
 

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Love the vision/aspiration of what the Insight could be... but the comparison to Tesla seems a bit apple/oranges, since the Insight wasn't designed for a fully electric experience (?). I think the Insight delivers a good balance for the hybrid that it is designed to be.

It seems you're pretty happy with your Tesla Model 3, but the comparison to the Insight is driving discontent. And from other posts, it sounds like the Insight will be the last Honda you buy.

Just curious, but other than looks - was there a reason you chose the Insight over other cars like the electric Honda Clarity, electric BMW i3, or even the Prius hybrid which are more suited for one-pedal driving and minimal creep?
 

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Love the vision/aspiration of what the Insight could be... but the comparison to Tesla seems a bit apple/oranges, since the Insight wasn't designed for a fully electric experience (?). I think the Insight delivers a good balance for the hybrid that it is designed to be.

It seems you're pretty happy with your Tesla Model 3, but the comparison to the Insight is driving discontent. And from other posts, it sounds like the Insight will be the last Honda you buy.

Just curious, but other than looks - was there a reason you chose the Insight over other cars like the electric Honda Clarity, electric BMW i3, or even the Prius hybrid which are more suited for one-pedal driving and minimal creep?
I've had a long history with Hondas. I've actually only ever bought Honda's and I thought that some of them were amazing and at at the brink of cutting edge for their class. I've owned or stewardes 93 Accord, 96 Accord, 97 Accord Special Edition, 2005 Civic, 2013 Accord.

Integra GSRs with B18 engine, S2000, NSX 1st gen, H22 engine in Accord SiR/Prelude VTEC were really great innovative cars. Then the 2000s came and the accords were just boring until the 2013 which I thought to be spectacular. Aced the new frontal small overlap crash test, outstanding CVT, and 185 hp from a NA 2.5 liter... With 36-39 real world mpg. I was sold. Much better than Nissan and Mazda offerings. The standout 3rd gen two motor hybrid later appeared in the Accord but it was too pricey for me to dump my 2013.

At this point I've rented many hybrids... And they were all junk until the 4th gen Prius. The CMax and 3rd gen Prius were the worst. As a hybrid system, the Insights 3rd gen 2 motor is excellent.

I think the current gen accords are ugly... But I would have probably bought the hybrid EX with the same 3rg gen two motor hybrid if not for the Model 3 LR. Not really wanting the new Accord which is larger than my 13, the price was right as was the mpg so we bought the Insight after a friend bought one.

The 3rd gen two motor hybrid system is a standout but I feel the packaging of it into the Insight is meh. The Honda sense is not useful either. I rented a 4G Prius and drove it a 1000 miles over a week and though the I thought fuel economy was standout and the car had some really cool features but the car was boring to drive. Though I really like the Toyota sensing package. I passed on the Prius simply because of the cost, and the Prius Prime which is a bargain with incentives because bit was only a 4 seater and the stupid battery took up the trunk.

The Model 3 LR is double the cost of the Insight but I see every single feature the Insight has, has been bested. The Clarity looks like a patchwork of unfinished sheet metal. Honda is really not innovating but seems rather they are making compliance cars cause they think the future is hydrogen..... the i3 wouldn't fit my commute and neither of any of those 80-100 mile BEVs. I tried buying a Fit EV a few years ago on a shorter commute but couldn't secure a lease. The Clarity BEV costs like 36k.. which is absurd as you could by a superior Model 3 SR+ for $37k then. The same with a Bolt starting at $36.5k.. though GM has huge customer cash now.

At first I was ecstatic with the Insight and drove it all around. It was a step in the right direction... Quiet, electric AC, cool space saving buttons from the Clarity buttons instead of shifter... But certain things always irked me.. floor made of felt padding, a spare kit I can't buy even though the trunk fits one, a cluster of stuff surrounding me, the high center console, ridiculous low passenger seats, gaping panel gaps, silly Honda logo and sounds the car makes when you open the door, the ridiculous sound it makes when under 12 mph (Clarity makes it too.. yes I know it will be federally mandated but the sound could be better), the ridiculously thin sheet metal, useless LKAS ping pong, the tiny ill placed trunk button vs the large easily accessed gas door button, the throngs of useless configurable screens on the instrument panel, home is an actual hard button and not an LCD software button, the ridiculous sound it makes in Sport mode, no soft open damper on the glovebox, the noise cancellation that makes a hissing sound, inability to set the regen, and paddles??? Really.. it's a hybrid gas saver, not a electronic dual clutch tranny. If it was an i8 I would accept paddles but its a 50 mpg gas saver. Perhaps I shouldn't be so critical as the car is only $23k. My biggest complaint of the 13 Accord is that after 6 years Honda did nothing to fix the Bluetooth lag and $12 bottles of Honda CVT 2 fluid. No real complaints for that car, but I have so many Insight complaints.

I also did a lot of cost analysis too... The Model 3 SR was the winner in terms of cost due to incentives and charging at home but wife didn't want to share a Tesla with me.

Then I decided to buy the Model 3 Long Range for myself which was $12k more than what I had originally planned and charge that at work. When I picked up the car it was surreal... It was revolutionary. I have never liked a car so much. The 3 has numerous major quirks as well..... like road noise.... But the sum of the car is still a standout. The car is 2.5 months old. I have over 6k miles on it. The Insight is barely tipping 4k at 5 months. I actually need to drive the Insight more to lessen the miles on the 3. But then again, I've only spent $20 bucks to drive 6k miles.... I get most of energy for free from various sources. I don't get free gas for the Insight.

Every feature which I thought was great on the Insight I saw bested easily by the Model 3. Even the brake hold which I thought was silly on the 3, eventually I found superior to the Insight.

Honda compromised a lot to build the Insight and I find this to be it's fault. It's not going to beat the Prius, or the Ioniq, or any of the Toyota hybrids despite Honda's excellent mostly serial hybrid system. My opinion is that Honda should keep the hyrbid system but give it more EV like features and get rid of unecessary junk.

The 3 is simplistic and focuses on driving and not a flury of gauges, buttons and animations of the Insight. I like the 13 Accord as it's still simplistic... Just enough gauges and info and not overwhelming like today's cars. The regen on the 3 is just a straight line that swings between green and black. Is so simple yet effective... Compared to three step , 2 color gauge on the insight. My wife asked me the other day while I drove it, how do I know when the Insight is in regen and when is it motor only? After 5 months she doesn't know. I suggested to get rid of the busy gauges but she likes the animations even when she doesn't understand them.

What's the point of a EV mode when it's easily defeated by gas pedal, low battery or speed? Just get rid of it. The car tries to use battery as much as it can anyways. It's a copy of a Prius feature, a feel good option not needed. Why does there need to be EV, ECON and Sport buttons? Shouldn't there be a Normal button too? Can't those be menu settings? Simplify the cockpit and get rid of 3 buttons.

I finally set the very obscure power off auto parking brake in the Insight yesterday by listening to all the obscure beeps. Why not make that a menu option instead?

I think Honda needs to innovate more by simplification and by playing up the EV factor of it's serial hybrid. It's halfway there already.
 

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The 3rd gen two motor hybrid system is a standout but I feel the packaging of it into the Insight is meh. The Honda sense is not useful either. I rented a 4G Prius and drove it a 1000 miles over a week and though the I thought fuel economy was standout and the car had some really cool features but the car was boring to drive. Though I really like the Toyota sensing package. I passed on the Prius simply because of the cost, and the Prius Prime which is a bargain with incentives because bit was only a 4 seater and the stupid battery took up the trunk.

This is what the Insight was designed for... to be a hybrid, with good fuel economy, that drove like a standard ICE car.

The Model 3 LR is double the cost of the Insight but I see every single feature the Insight has, has been bested. The Clarity looks like a patchwork of unfinished sheet metal. Honda is really not innovating but seems rather they are making compliance cars cause they think the future is hydrogen..... the i3 wouldn't fit my commute and neither of any of those 80-100 mile BEVs.

I'd sure hope for nearly double the price tag, that the Tesla would have better features than the Insight. As far as the hydrogen comment, That's more of a GM comment, seeing as they actually produce hydrogen cell vehicles.

At first I was ecstatic with the Insight and drove it all around. It was a step in the right direction... Quiet, electric AC, cool space saving buttons from the Clarity buttons instead of shifter... But certain things always irked me.. floor made of felt padding (open cell foam is a fantastic noise reducer), a spare kit I can't buy even though the trunk fits one (agree immensely), a cluster of stuff surrounding me, the high center console (I hated this at first, but have come to love it), ridiculous low passenger seats (true, why aren't they at least the same height), gaping panel gaps (pretty bad by todays standards), silly Honda logo and sounds the car makes when you open the door, the ridiculous sound it makes when under 12 mph , the ridiculously thin sheet metal (weight savings, although I agree, they could have used more aluminum), useless LKAS ping pong (I feel they did this for the "driver alertness" sensing), the tiny ill placed trunk button vs the large easily accessed gas door button, the throngs of useless configurable screens on the instrument panel, home is an actual hard button and not an LCD software button, the ridiculous sound it makes in Sport mode, no soft open damper on the glovebox, the noise cancellation that makes a hissing sound, inability to set the regen, and paddles??? Really.. it's a hybrid gas saver, not a electronic dual clutch tranny. If it was an i8 I would accept paddles but its a 50 mpg gas saver. Perhaps I shouldn't be so critical as the car is only $23k. My biggest complaint of the 13 Accord is that after 6 years Honda did nothing to fix the Bluetooth lag and $12 bottles of Honda CVT 2 fluid. No real complaints for that car, but I have so many Insight complaints.

I also did a lot of cost analysis too... The Model 3 SR was the winner in terms of cost due to incentives and charging at home but wife didn't want to share a Tesla with me.

Then I decided to buy the Model 3 Long Range for myself which was $12k more than what I had originally planned and charge that at work. When I picked up the car it was surreal... It was revolutionary. I have never liked a car so much. The 3 has numerous major quirks as well..... like road noise.... But the sum of the car is still a standout. The car is 2.5 months old. I have over 6k miles on it. The Insight is barely tipping 4k at 5 months. I actually need to drive the Insight more to lessen the miles on the 3. But then again, I've only spent $20 bucks to drive 6k miles.... I get most of energy for free from various sources. I don't get free gas for the Insight.

Every feature which I thought was great on the Insight I saw bested easily by the Model 3. Even the brake hold which I thought was silly on the 3, eventually I found superior to the Insight.

Honda compromised a lot to build the Insight and I find this to be it's fault. It's not going to beat the Prius, or the Ioniq, or any of the Toyota hybrids despite Honda's excellent mostly serial hybrid system. My opinion is that Honda should keep the hyrbid system but give it more EV like features and get rid of unecessary junk.

The 3 is simplistic and focuses on driving and not a flury of gauges, buttons and animations of the Insight. I like the 13 Accord as it's still simplistic... Just enough gauges and info and not overwhelming like today's cars. The regen on the 3 is just a straight line that swings between green and black. (Well yes, but the Tesla only has two powertrain options vs 3 of the Insight)Is so simple yet effective... Compared to three step , 2 color gauge on the insight. My wife asked me the other day while I drove it, how do I know when the Insight is in regen and when is it motor only? After 5 months she doesn't know. I suggested to get rid of the busy gauges but she likes the animations even when she doesn't understand them. (Or at least allow further customization of what's displayed)

What's the point of a EV mode when it's easily defeated by gas pedal, low battery or speed? Just get rid of it. The car tries to use battery as much as it can anyways. It's a copy of a Prius feature, a feel good option not needed. Why does there need to be EV, ECON and Sport buttons? Shouldn't there be a Normal button too? Can't those be menu settings? Simplify the cockpit and get rid of 3 buttons. (Solid point, although I like not needing to look for a button and know where they all are without needing to take my eyes off of the road)

I finally set the very obscure power off auto parking brake in the Insight yesterday by listening to all the obscure beeps. Why not make that a menu option instead? (Makes sense, can't argue this point)

I think Honda needs to innovate more by simplification and by playing up the EV factor of it's serial hybrid. It's halfway there already. Ok, but didn't they technically do this already, if you get in the car, having never driven a hybrid, and want to go anywhere, you don't have to figure out how to work anything. I remember the first time I got into a Prius (2nd gen) and had to move it around the body shop, and I had to search for the "shifter" then read the dash to figure out how to "put it in park"
I'm not bashing you in anyway, just pointing out that the Insight shouldn't be as good as a Tesla. Just from a price standpoint alone, not to mention you are comparing two completely different drivetrains. It's like comparing the Insight to a Corvette.

You hit the nail on the head with the comment about being a sub 30k hybrid, which does compromise vs being an EV while the driving experience is much better than a Prius. Not only does the Insight more fun to drive than a Prius, and costs less than a Full EV vehicle, it's actually looks good (not perfect, but better than the Prius). In my honest opinion, Honda and other car manufacturers could learn something from Tesla, and actually utilize OTA updates, and make meaningful software updates for the car.

Sure somethings could be better, and a lot of that could be remedied by allowing more "software control through the touchscreen". And playing devils advocate, I have to commend you. Not everyone here is lucky enough to have the same experience with so many of the competitors, or in your case, the aspirational car of the Future to compare to on a daily basis. I personally love your perspective because it's different than most on here.
 

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The Tesla system sounds a little like the one on our Prius and Highlander in a way. The Toyota one can be activated for use in traffic with a harder push on the brake pedal and releases automatically and seamlessly when you push the accelerator. Great for when you are stopped on a hill and such. I find it much handier than the one on the Insight which I just leave off for traffic and only use it for parking when needed.

Comparing to Prius and Ioniq and other fuel efficient compact sedans, I still think Insight has a slight or significant edge in almost every area. Initial build quality being one where it seems to lag the competition. Dependability remains to be seen. There are also plenty of first year quirks and omissions that seem unusual for Honda, but I expect many of those will be resolved in the mid-cycle refresh, some perhaps intentionally left for a future update.

The only complaint that I notice every time I drive is the low seating. Seriously Honda, raise the suspension an inch so the front end can clear a typical curb and then raise the seats another inch. Yes, I know that will cost some highway mpg but it's a tradeoff I'd take any day. At least match the Prius for seating height.
 

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I couldn't make the leap to an EV due to no garage and the lack of public charging that isn't within an expensive parking lot. I bought the Insight mainly for the design and the amenities it offers for the price. The fuel savings was just a bonus but after owning it for awhile I can't go back to a gas vehicle with lower MPGs. It's a decent car to get a little taste of an EV and familiarize myself with regenerative braking. Honda made the Insight to give owners like me another viable option outside of a Prius. We have a couple of truck owners with this car. Don't think a truck owner would buy a Prius ;). If the 3rd gen Insight did not exist it would had been most likely another Civic for me. To sum it up the Insight is not a Model 3 killer but is a good stepping stone for someone like me interested in owning a future EV.

I'm not bashing you in anyway, just pointing out that the Insight shouldn't be as good as a Tesla. Just from a price standpoint alone, not to mention you are comparing two completely different drivetrains. It's like comparing the Insight to a Corvette.

You hit the nail on the head with the comment about being a sub 30k hybrid, which does compromise vs being an EV while the driving experience is much better than a Prius. Not only does the Insight more fun to drive than a Prius, and costs less than a Full EV vehicle, it's actually looks good (not perfect, but better than the Prius). In my honest opinion, Honda and other car manufacturers could learn something from Tesla, and actually utilize OTA updates, and make meaningful software updates for the car.

Sure somethings could be better, and a lot of that could be remedied by allowing more "software control through the touchscreen". And playing devils advocate, I have to commend you. Not everyone here is lucky enough to have the same experience with so many of the competitors, or in your case, the aspirational car of the Future to compare to on a daily basis. I personally love your perspective because it's different than most on here.
I didn't think we would get the chance to hear from a Tesla owner plus longtime Honda owner what they think of the Insight. So it's definitely interesting to read @IronQQQ 's review between the Model 3, Insight, and 2013 Accord.
 

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At first I was ecstatic with the Insight and drove it all around. It was a step in the right direction... Quiet, electric AC, cool space saving buttons from the Clarity buttons instead of shifter... But certain things always irked me.. floor made of felt padding, a spare kit I can't buy even though the trunk fits one, a cluster of stuff surrounding me, the high center console, ridiculous low passenger seats, gaping panel gaps, silly Honda logo and sounds the car makes when you open the door, the ridiculous sound it makes when under 12 mph (Clarity makes it too.. yes I know it will be federally mandated but the sound could be better), the ridiculously thin sheet metal, useless LKAS ping pong, the tiny ill placed trunk button vs the large easily accessed gas door button, the throngs of useless configurable screens on the instrument panel, home is an actual hard button and not an LCD software button, the ridiculous sound it makes in Sport mode, no soft open damper on the glovebox, the noise cancellation that makes a hissing sound, inability to set the regen, and paddles??? Really.. it's a hybrid gas saver, not a electronic dual clutch tranny. If it was an i8 I would accept paddles but its a 50 mpg gas saver. Perhaps I shouldn't be so critical as the car is only $23k. My biggest complaint of the 13 Accord is that after 6 years Honda did nothing to fix the Bluetooth lag and $12 bottles of Honda CVT 2 fluid.
It really sounds like the Insight is just not the car for you. This is a cheap car and comparing it to a car that's double the cost makes little sense. I agree some things could be improved but you seem to be complaining about the entire vehicle. I agree with others that its good to see your perspective but I feel for you as you sound miserable.. are you going to keep the car? If I felt the way you do, I'd dump it and take the loss (had to do that with a 2015 Corolla I had and it was best decision I ever made!).
 

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I absolutely loved my '06 civic, 225,000 miles worth, and I have fallen in love with my Insight. It isn't perfect, and I have hills in my life, but overall I have to say I like it. Given the chance to swap it out for a Prius? My brother who has a Prius V is not so satisfied and I am. I don't have the money to dump and run but I'm happy with the Insight. If I had no financial restrictions, I would not have been in the market for a sub 30k car in the first place. I agree with BlueSerenity, possibly this is just not the car for you...
 
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