Had a piece of gravel cause a star crack about the size of a quarter on the windshield yesterday. Was quoted approximately $800 by Safelite to replace or $125 to repair. No replacement glass was available except from Honda (fine with me) which had a 4 + week delivery. Went with the repair which worked fine for now. The Safelite tech checked in their data base an according to it the Civic & Insight share the same windshield. There may be a difference in the edge masking. The Civic windshield is $400 + . The difference being the mandatory sensor calibration. Yikes!
Windshield Replacement - OEM vs Aftermarket and Calibration
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According to the Honda Parts Network, the Insight has its own specific windshield. Part number from Honda is 73111-TXM-A31 and is $412
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I'm having mine replaced tomorrow for $500 (comprehensive deductible)...after only one month and a small rock creating a huge long crack. I now have windshield coverage added to my insurance that's for sure. I searched and the Civics seem to have the same problem. The Honda glass is super fragile.
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I worked for a windshield manufacturer back 15 - 20 years ago. The thinnest we made were about 5.5 mm. I saw somewhere that the new ones now days are 4.7 mm. They still have to meet all the same safety standards, but sure could be more prone to breakage.
I worked for a windshield manufacturer back 15 - 20 years ago. The thinnest we made were about 5.5 mm. I saw somewhere that the new ones now days are 4.7 mm. They still have to meet all the same safety standards, but sure could be more prone to breakage.
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I would definitely at least talk to State Farm, the camera will most likely need a calibration, although that might make it a comprehensive claim rather than just a glass claim to get them to cover it. You could always ask your service department as well. They may make the argument that OEM glass is the only glass that the camera is designed to work with.
About Camera calibration with replacement (Source Safelite)
I would have this done by the dealer for at least two reasons:
1) This is more than "just" a glass replacement. The camera will have to be calibrated so that all of the associated safety systems will still work; this is not a trivial operation and Honda will likely not stand behind the work of a non-Honda glass installer.
2) Many years ago a friend of mine had the front windshield of a Honda Civic replaced by an installer... Later on his entire window frame on the front of the car started to rust out. The installer insisted that hey did the replacement correctly and of course Honda, pointing to the rust claimed that the job was not done correctly as no care was taken to ensure that there would be no rust problems.
Who needs these headaches? You dealer will probably outsource the work to a "trusted" installer anyway or do the work themselves, but in any case you will have some guarantee down the road if you need it. As a bonus, your camera might possibly work after the replacement without any further ado..
1) This is more than "just" a glass replacement. The camera will have to be calibrated so that all of the associated safety systems will still work; this is not a trivial operation and Honda will likely not stand behind the work of a non-Honda glass installer.
2) Many years ago a friend of mine had the front windshield of a Honda Civic replaced by an installer... Later on his entire window frame on the front of the car started to rust out. The installer insisted that hey did the replacement correctly and of course Honda, pointing to the rust claimed that the job was not done correctly as no care was taken to ensure that there would be no rust problems.
Who needs these headaches? You dealer will probably outsource the work to a "trusted" installer anyway or do the work themselves, but in any case you will have some guarantee down the road if you need it. As a bonus, your camera might possibly work after the replacement without any further ado..
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Having worked as an auto insurance adjuster for 20 years, I can tell you the glass only claim is still considered a comprehensive claim. In most states, a comprehensive claim, such as a glass claim, has no real bearing on your insurance policy rates unless you happen to have too many in too short a period of time. Since I did not work in underwriting of policies, I am not able to say how many claims in what period of time it would take to cause an increase but I would think that if you had 3 to 4 glass claims within a year, that may have an impact. I know that comprehensive claims such as vandalism and theft would have a definite impact if you live in a high crime area and have several in a year. I often saw the same individuals in the course of a year or two that were constantly filing vandalism/theft claims and they complained about rate increases. This is because the area in which they live has a higher crime rate than others so the comprehensive coverage part of their policy would suffer an increase depending on the frequency of claims submitted.
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True, I just wasn't sure if Insurance would see it as a different type of comprehensive claim vs just a window replacement.
Use a Honda certified body shop. Locate one near you here (https://owners.honda.com/collision/profirstbodyshop/). Not only will aftermarket glass affect Honda Sensing but it can give Honda reason to deny future warranty claims caused by the aftermarket glass.
The repair technician used Honda glass. He said that he had experience with other late model Honda's such as Civic and Accord. He has never had a problem, but is required to warn customers that a recalibration may be necessary by the dealer. The new windshield has the brackets for the camera integrated onto the windshield from the factory. It is a snap off, unplug and reverse install. The install went without a problem, and a road trip utilizing the electronics was faultless.
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Sooooo.... Basically if you use the Honda glass there is no calibration required since the electronics snap in. My windshield broke 2 weeks ago but haven't fixed it.
Dealer quoted $300 to calibrate, which could be totally BS since electronics snap in.
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So the windshield on the 4 month old Insight is cracked by a rock and not repairable.
This report https://www.gen3insight.com/forum/#/topics/110?page=2 says that the OEM glass has the bracket for the sensors already integrated into the glass from the factory and the electronics just snap right in. So I'm thinking then there is no need to calibrate saving the $295 to calibrate quoted by the dealership.
Has anybody had their Insight windshield replaced with an aftermarket piece? Was it made by FuYao? Did it have the bracket for the sensor electronics?
Right now I'm leaning towards an OEM replacement with a local installer. It's a $200 or $300 more than getting an aftermarket glass, but if the electronics bracket is already on the glass and no calibration is needed, then I'd rather have a factory glass.
However... If the Aftermarket is a FuYao (FuYao makes the OEM glass) and has the bracket, then the aftermarket is a way better deal cause it's much cheaper.
The Insight is soooo new I've yet to find any installer or dealer that has actually done it.. so no one really has the full details.
This report https://www.gen3insight.com/forum/#/topics/110?page=2 says that the OEM glass has the bracket for the sensors already integrated into the glass from the factory and the electronics just snap right in. So I'm thinking then there is no need to calibrate saving the $295 to calibrate quoted by the dealership.
Has anybody had their Insight windshield replaced with an aftermarket piece? Was it made by FuYao? Did it have the bracket for the sensor electronics?
Right now I'm leaning towards an OEM replacement with a local installer. It's a $200 or $300 more than getting an aftermarket glass, but if the electronics bracket is already on the glass and no calibration is needed, then I'd rather have a factory glass.
However... If the Aftermarket is a FuYao (FuYao makes the OEM glass) and has the bracket, then the aftermarket is a way better deal cause it's much cheaper.
The Insight is soooo new I've yet to find any installer or dealer that has actually done it.. so no one really has the full details.
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I assume you don't have glass coverage on your auto insurance? Have you try contacting a nearby Honda certified body shop? They can probably provide you the answer on whether they can calibrate the safety sense systems with an aftermarket glass since they're factory trained on all models. My local Honda certified body shop always advise me to use oem parts especially during the factory warranty period. It prevents the manufacture from denying future warranty claims from potential issues caused by an aftermarket part.
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I went to 2 dealers and neither one wants to quote me the full job. Glass labor comes from a 3rd party I pay separately, glass ordered from the parts counter separately, and then go into the Service Dept for the calibration, it's a complete mess with 3 different transactions.
Given that mess I will try a Honda certified body shop quote next. Thank you.
Insurance will pay but with a $1000 deductable it's not worth the claim on a $1300 job. State Farm has also said they will only pay the claim for aftermarket glass amount. Extra cost for OEM is on me.
I often try to buy non Honda labeled parts from the OEM manufacturer. For instance, I just replaced the wheel bearing on my 13 Accord. NTN makes the bearing for Honda.. so I tried to source the NTN part without nthe Honda label.
I was just seeing if FuYao, the OEM manufacturer sells same glass. l without the Honda label with the bracket. If the aftermarket isn't a FuYao, then I wouldn't buy it and just go with the OEM glass.
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Have you confirmed with State Farm that your comprehensive coverage deductible is actually $1000.00 or are you basing the deductible on your collision coverage? Most often, unless you specifically chose the $1000.00 deductible on comprehensive claims to reduce your premium, the deductible is less than the collision coverage.
That seems really high for a glass deductible. My auto insurance(GEICO) only offers no deductible or $100 deductible for glass. Even with no glass deductible I'm only paying $58 every 6 months for the comprehensive portion of my insurance which has a $500 deductible. GEICO has paid for oem parts in the past for me even though I didn't pay for the OEM option on my policy. The Honda certified body shop was able to negotiate with my insurance company to cover it. I assume factory certified body shops are able to get better pricing on oem parts similar to dealerships and are experienced at convincing insurance adjusters to pay a little more for them.
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